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HAILXENA	The timeout locked thread	Lead	[-]
Posts: 10 (12/06/07 3:29 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Tags : None LavenderJane, after a timeout has been called, following the Rules of Engagement all fighting on that thread has to stop until the War Council has reached a decision. This is what all game players have agreed upon and it has worked just fine in the past. By locking this thread you circumvent and undermine the authority of the War Council. Never before has a thread been locked after a timeout unless the game players ignored the rules. But now that we have additional rules which would punish any such behavior locking a thread is even less necessary. Why would you lock it, what's the message this should send?
Lavender Jane		#1	[-]
Posts: 39 (12/06/07 4:49 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	The thread had become a personal attack despite requests for the attacks to stop. A timeout was called. No further discussion was warranted on that topic and we felt it appropriate to lock the thread. Lavender Jane XOC Moderator
HardGrin		#2	[-]
Posts: 35 (12/06/07 5:03 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	that hardly seems fair to the original threat topic that was subverted. If anyone wants to honor Xena you can still do so on the new improved version of the thread: http://bsgworld.yuku.com/topic/850
Bluebell XWP		#3	[-]
Posts: 71 (12/06/07 5:51 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I realize this thread wasn't addressed to me but maybe I can shed some light on one reason why the board moderators may feel it is necessary to keep a bit more control right now on this forum than was originally intended. In this thread http://p209.ezboard.com/fxwpwebfrm139.showMessageRange?topicID=383.topic&start=1&stop=20 several of us, some more than others, had quite a conversation about the Rules of Engagement. Very early on I addressed the Rules of Engagement and the board rules were being mocked by certain individuals, HardGrin latched on to this and agreed she was mocking these rules. After some lengthy discussion that got us no where and after HG posted she just wanted to have some fun with the rules, didn't want to take things too seriously and wanted to put whatever misunderstanding we were having behind us I too agreed to move on and thought maybe it wasn't such a big deal, this forum is about having fun and if this was one way to have fun then I was on board with it, so we moved on and the mocking of the Rules of Engagement continued. Now, while we (people who play the game) may want the Rules of Engagement to be the policing force in this forum we certainly can't expect those outside the game especially board moderators who already bend the rules to allow this game to continue to understand or accept that if we are mocking the rules one day, that the next day we will actually respect and play by them. So, maybe the message is or should be if we want to play by the Rules of Engagement and we want the freedom to allow those rules to govern us (as well as the War Council) we should refrain from mocking them and playing with them as though they are meaningless. LJ, if this wasn't part of your reason, feel free to set me straight. Edited to make the link an actual link. Last Edited By: Bluebell XWP 12/06/07 5:53 PM. Edited 1 times.
Lavender Jane		#4	[-]
Posts: 39 (12/06/07 6:21 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Well spoken, BB.
HardGrin		#5	[-]
Posts: 35 (12/06/07 6:25 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I'm sorry I fail to see the discrepancy here. Why can we not mock the rules and still obey them when we need too? Anyone can call upon the rules at any point and will be taken seriously as has been clearly proven today. When a time out was called the game stopped. This does not mean we can't amuse ourselves with the rules at the same time; this does not devalue them at all. I think it's perfectly possible to do both.
Bluebell XWP		#6	[-]
Posts: 71 (12/06/07 6:44 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	HardGrin, you and I may think its okay to do both (clearly we both played around with them) but the point is we can't expect others to think this way, especially the board mods, when they've had to deal with trouble from the game before. And honestly, mocking anything does have the tendency to devalue it, in my opinion. Because when you (generally speaking) mock something you're doing it to show your contempt and to ridicule it, which automatically devalues it.
HardGrin		#7	[-]
Posts: 35 (12/07/07 6:41 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I'm afraid i must disagree again BleuBell. Mocking everyhting is of the utmost importance. It does not devalue things it reinforces them . It shows strength and superiority to grant people the right to mock. This is why kings have courtjesters and why news papers have political cartoons. If the rules are good then why would anyone be worried about them being questioned?
HAILXENA		#8	[-]
Posts: 10 (12/07/07 3:51 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Mocking or no mocking - whatever, but could someone remind me again what the whole point of having a War Council is if we're gonna rely on moderators to police the game by locking threads? (And let's not kid ourselves here, locking threads never actually calms anyone down, it just forces people to shut up and leaves them frustrated. Hostilities and disagreement disappear through communication and discussion, not because you're suddenly unable to respond. ) I mean this sincerely, what's the job of the War Council? The thread had become a personal attack despite requests for the attacks to stop. A timeout was called. No further discussion was warranted on that topic and we felt it appropriate to lock the thread. Ok, so it became a personal attack. that has happened in the past. A timeout was called, hence nobody was gonna post anymore. That has also proven to work in the past and it helps create a mutual respect and understanding between enemies - it shows us we can trust each other to stop being aggressive when we realize the person is offended for real. This is vital. By honoring the timeout by not posting there anymore we show each other that the hostilities in the game are really just for show and in real life we would never hurt each other on purpose. I don't know what to say other than thanks for robbing us of the opportunity to show respect for each other's real feelings.
LadyKate63		#9	[-]
Posts: 330 (12/07/07 4:17 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	HX: I see your point about the War Council's authority and self-policing through the Rules of Engagement. Unfortunately in the weeks since the ceasefire was lifted it seemed to us that the ROE were being pretty much ignored by all the players. People were clearly getting offended for real but not calling timeouts or using the safe word, instead there was escalating bickering which started to upset a lot of people in the forum and to bring back bad memories of pre-ceasefire days. (As I recall, during the incident last May that brought about the ceasefire, the back-and-forth in the thread continued long AFTER the time-out was called.) I know the game is the WC's responsibility, but the mods still have responsibility to the forum. I think you're as aware as we are of the fact that after the ceasefire was lifted, the situation has changed and the amicable communication among the players that existed a few months ago has deteriorated to a degree. There has been tension and "real" hostilities in this forum and that's why we were worried. In fact, as BB has pointed out there was a thread quite recently in the ASG at the old EZboard where it was basically said that the ROE had become so useless they should be tossed out altogether -- admittedly it was said somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but it did confirm our impression that the ROE were not being accorded much respect. Hopefully the WC will work this situation out and people will start using the ROE, and the game will get back on track and run smoothly (and the forum too). And we can make an agreement that there will be no locking of threads after a time-out is called, UNLESS one or more of the players violates that time out and continues the argument. Is that to everyone's satisfaction?
HAILXENA		#10	[-]
Posts: 10 (12/07/07 4:51 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I remember there was some discussion about changing the rules of engagement because they're not functioning as expected. I don't really know what happened to that cause I haven't been around much. but if evidence has been accumulated that the rules don't work and we should of course get together and fix them. If there's a thread somewhere dealing with that i'd like to be pointed in that direction to see how far the discussion has progressed. And yes, not locking threads after a timeout would be at least to my satisfaction. I don't know how others would feel, let's wait and see.
LadyKate63		#11	[-]
Posts: 330 (12/07/07 5:32 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I believe it's the thread Bluebell linked in this thread, above. Again, I'm not sure how serious the discussion was. But more to the point, there were several incidents that escalated and in which for whatever reason people did not use the ROE.
brabmuffin		#12	[-]
Posts: 110 (12/07/07 10:03 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	HX... Like LK has stated all the evidence is in the thread that BB linked... I realize that you have not been around much, but understand that we are looking out for the best intrest of everyone... BB had stated that she was offeneded... this didn't stop anyone for snipping at each other, only for smart@ss comments to further nit pick... If this was already being ignored then what reason did the Board mods (not forum mods) have to lead them to believe that this would stop... As a former, and very active member of the war games, I presented a legit proposal for the rules... And I was blown off... If you are going to re-evaluate the rules, maybe you should add in there that the only ones that can sugest anything have to be Army leaders... Thats my two cents... This is something that has been esculating for weeks, before I even retired my sexy sais to become a guardian of the game... I am very much aware of how this game is played, and what is and is not acceptable.... The recent events are far from acceptable... I am not going to say anything else, if you want to know more.. I continue with the emails that I have sent... If not, that is fine too....
HardGrin		#13	[-]
Posts: 35 (12/08/07 4:16 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Brabs YOU ingnored OUR request to move on. YOU posted the shortbus comment. In your attempt to diss me you also disrespected the rules of engagement AND BB. BB and me had agreed to move on and you just had to get in your one last kick there at a defenceless party. I simply pointed this out in humorous way. Now, I did this already on the WC but i will do it again here, I applogize to BB. I'm sorry BB for taking the liberty of using you in a humurous attempt to point out that our move on was not being respected. But on the plus side Brabs, you've made your legit proposal mindbogglingly obvious. We most certainly need to renegotiate the rules.
brabmuffin		#14	[-]
Posts: 110 (12/08/07 11:35 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	oh yeah I can totally see where my little bit of humor, not adressed to anyone, was making the tension go further.. How blind I was for thinking that someone would a get a chuckle and move on... Silly my I must have forgotten whom I was dealing with... Casue it seems the majority of everyone found the humor in things... And yet HX's biggest complaint about the thread being locked was cause it was undermining the WC, because the thread shouldn't have ended... Just the topic.. Since my short bus, was a random comment, posted for humor, or hell let me use the get out of jail free care "irony" then I am infact quiulty of keeping the thread alive, while still moving on.. But from what your saying... The thread its self should have just stopped all together.. Unless it was convienient for you... in which case, oppps, I did it again..... I fvcked up.. Is that what you want to hear? Well I didn't, and I am not gonna say I did just to make you feel better... I did nothing wrong, you are going to have to find a new scape goat this time hun.... Cause it aint me
HardGrin		#15	[-]
Posts: 35 (12/08/07 6:21 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Thank so much you for emphasizing my point with that snarky and unreasonable reply to me very serious post. So now since we're kneedeep in snarky quicksand.... I did nothing wrong, you are going to have to find a new scape goat this time hun.... Cause it aint me it ain't you!?? well who could it be? must find someone <ponder ponder> ooh I know! lets pick NARWIN!!!
Bluebell XWP		#16	[-]
Posts: 71 (12/08/07 7:57 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	HardGrin and brabmuffin, There is a TIMEOUT in effect about the incident that is in question, therefore neither one of you should be posting about it. HG, I appreciate your explanation and apology to me but you had to know that accusing brabs of doing wrong in that thread was going to create more conversation surrounding the incident. brabs of course now feels she needs to defend herself and the argument continues, and then you imply that brabs or someone else is going to use narnian winter as a scapegoat which I personally find offensive and I'm quite sure others do as well. No one is going to be made the scapegoat in this incident, I've even offered in the War Council proceedings what I wanted to see happen and it's nowhere close to anyone being made a scapegoat. I'm asking the two of you and anyone else who feels compelled to talk about this to stop the conversation that surrounds the TIMEOUT incident. That's what a timeout is for. If the argument continues this thread will be locked. Talk about irony, the purpose of this thread was to argue that moderators should not lock threads so that we could prove that we can govern ourselves through the rules of engagement. So let's do that and respect the TIMEOUT.
LadyKate63		#17	[-]
Posts: 330 (12/08/07 8:04 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Sadly, the fact that this argument continues during the timeout shows exactly why LJ had a reason to lock the other thread. LadyKate XOC Moderator
HardGrin		#18	[-]
Posts: 35 (12/08/07 8:15 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I send the WC an email this afternoon giving into BB's demands, i figured the time out problem was solved and we could move on to the mutual concern of to renegotiating the rules.
Bluebell XWP		#19	[-]
Posts: 71 (12/08/07 9:13 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	HG, let's get this straight, I did not have demands. I asked that you abide by your own request and move on, meaning do not take swipes at the person after they've agreed to move on. I asked that narnian winter refrain from making non game related comments about the Misfits. I never asked for apologies, private, public or otherwise and asking for an agreement to move on and not to make non game related comments are hardly demands. I just got around to reading your emails, so, you've apologized, fine move on. But with that how about dropping the subject all together including what you think brabs did wrong!
snikkerz88		#20	[-]
Posts: 54 (12/09/07 1:28 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Ok, let's not do this here guys. Nuff said. (I apologise if no one had the intention of making antoher post about it, I don't know what time the last one was made because timezones confuse the heck out of me) Last Edited By: snikkerz88 12/09/07 1:34 AM. Edited 1 times.

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